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hi everyone this is martin willis your

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host of podcast ufo today is episode six

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with dr lynn kitai and we are discussing

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the phoenix lights

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this podcast is being released on march

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13 2012 which is the 15th anniversary of

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the phoenix lights mass sighting please

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hi everyone we have dr lynn kitai on the

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line in phoenix arizona how you doing dr

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lynn

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i am doing fabulous thanks so much for

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having me yes and uh the release when

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this is coming out is the 15th

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anniversary of the phoenix lights

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yes yes it's coming up for anybody that

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doesn't

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uh know about the phoenix flights

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actually that's a name that was given

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to a uh really the most

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important and most documented mass

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sighting

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uh in modern history uh certainly in

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mythology and uh and now we're learning

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that uh uh it very well could be from

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all of all of uh all of history because

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there were over ten thousand people

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throughout the state

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who witnessed something quite

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extraordinary uh 15 years ago

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on march 13th when they were looking

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skyward many were looking skyward to get

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a glimpse of the havop comet which was

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very clear in the northwest sky when

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they also caught a glimpse of a mild two

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mile wide and some very credible reports

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either these orbs these these

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balls of light

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that seem to be attached to something

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but they couldn't quite see what it was

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attached to or actual craft there were

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many things going on

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many events going on different phenomena

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as well as many hours of these phenomena

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there's so much missing disinformation

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out there

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in the media and the bunkers and so

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forth but

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uh both my husband and i had a very

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close sighting to our home in paradise

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valley we're pretty high in the

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mountains and have a panoramic view of

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the city skyline from our our bedroom

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one wall is a is a window and we know

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what helicopters and street lights and

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even flares deployed by the military

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occasionally look like and uh these

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unknowns are very different from that

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and and we're familiar with with the

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other um

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lights out there and we had a very close

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lighting to our home and i happen to

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catch pictures of it if we have time we

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can get into that sighting but i

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wondered for two years without any

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interest or knowledge in the topic at

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all

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what this advanced technology these orbs

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and i didn't even know who to show the

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picture to and lo and behold they came

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back two years later two months before

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the mass sighting i happened to catch

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the same phenomena as i would also

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a mile wide triangle the three lights uh

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on the ends of a v or triangle that

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thousands of people

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had seen preceding the time i took the

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picture shortly before 10 o'clock and um

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which blew me away i mean now

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thousands of people saw what i had seen

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but two months before i caught the same

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phenomena head-on

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turning into a v-shape and it was so

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somebody else must have seen it it was

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airport who saw the same thing at the

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same time in fact they were more excited

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like what one of the air traffic

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controllers shared was that

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they saw this pop up right about a

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thousand feet altitude above class b

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restricted airspace which is about a 30

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airport which um is an area if anyone

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comes into that airspace they must call

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the tower and no one did so they got

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alarmed and they they looked on radar

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did not show up on radar picked up their

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binoculars to look and in their own

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words described six points of light

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mass sighting too but they couldn't

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right over them would see that there was

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kind of a force field or something in

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the stores but at any rate um the air

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pictures they saw a turn against the

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knew what he was he was talking about

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slowly behind south mountain which is

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just south of the airport and when i

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there was silence and then one of the

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air traffic controllers that beats me

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and i think your air traffic controls

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your system i was in our airspace and

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you didn't know what that was the class

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definitely wasn't flares nothing that

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ever saw before or even knew existed

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is so much myth and disinformation out

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whole crew and 140 passengers and then

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near a computer and they can get on the

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phoenix lights network

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the geospatial animation project which

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will show eight or nine different crafts

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that were compiled from thousands of

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reports from the national ufo reporting

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constituents had called her asking why

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isn't there an investigation which we

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and then uh as well as arizona mufon

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to show there were about eight or nine

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different craft that people described

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morph into looking differently or a

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parade of different craft or the

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standing we may never know but there

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throughout the state in fact these

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crafts were so low the objects were so

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low whether they were just like to seem

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to be attached to something or actual

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crap that people saw um the rooftop

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level but some people said they could

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have thrown the stone at it it was that

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close totally silent totally science and

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didn't even displace the bear around it

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at a tremendous speed blink speed some

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quickly other people saw these orbs

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detach from the main object go out into

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the environment and re-dock with it so

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people were seeing plus there was a

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whole story behind it how it affected

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um that was it's very interesting when

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you look at the data on march 13th alone

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the movie independence day had come out

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15 years it's march 13th and i'm pretty

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intimately involved with this

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investigation from day one there has not

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been one not one report of harm threat

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or abduction associated with the phoenix

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flights if anything it's quite the

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contrary i can't speak for everything

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else out there but i can say that for

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the phoenix flights even in real time

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because as i said when

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independence day had come out six months

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before and when kids saw it and they

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gigantic formations of lights coming

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towards them they were scared and

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rightly so i mean if we're

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you know taught to be afraid of these

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things when we see something that we're

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afraid of how do you think we're going

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to react and they were jumping up and

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down independence day independence day

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but as the phenomena got close and they

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were really scared and as but as the

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phenomenon got close not only children

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they were thrilled they were in awe they

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were in wonder and wanted to run after

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it i mean it's amazing just in real time

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how whatever this phenomena was uh

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really

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connected with the witnesses and calmed

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them as it was happening and certainly

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um you know after

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and by the way there were some

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telepathic messages to people too not to

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worry we're not here to hurt you uh that

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kind of thing um but long term it

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changed people's lives forever i mean i

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have to tell you the transformation has

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been so positive and for most people and

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if they experienced it um you know

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they're still talking about it today i

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got emails

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weekly from people that are just

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remembering it or saw something on tv or

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saw the documentary on netflix or on

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amazon.com or whatever

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and it brings back you know a flood of

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memories and

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they want to share that they they

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thought too and that's really important

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i have to say for all unexplained

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phenomenon one of the reasons as a

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physician

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i came forward because people have to

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know it's okay to talk about this it's

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enough with the

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snickering and the criticism and the

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ostracizing and the discrediting

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those things can be explained

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most things can be explained but there's

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a small percentage that cannot and just

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because we don't have the technology yet

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to definitively define what these things

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are

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it doesn't mean they're not real um you

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know we might just be looking on an am

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dial for an fm frequency it took us 17

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centuries before the advent of the

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microscope to 17th century that's a long

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time uh to realize that there are

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zillions of microorganisms all around us

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even in our bodies

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some are pathogens and some are

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beneficial but we've we've learned to

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deal with it and just as we're going to

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to now recognize that there are tiny

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organisms that we can't see with our

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human eyes there's also electromagnetic

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energies around every living cell gamma

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rays and radio waves and so forth that

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we can't see

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but they're there so

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uh you know we don't have the technology

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yet to definitively define what these

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things are yet but that's why it's so

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important to

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talk about it and to get the information

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out there as i try to do

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because i push my entire

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professional medical career aside for

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four years to try to find a logical

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source of meaning for what i had

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witnessed and photographed up close and

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personal and i have yet to find it if

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anything it opens up an entire

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new world to me that ultimately i had to

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go back to work to help put our younger

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son through medical school he's a

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neurologist now but um

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while i was chief clinical consultant at

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the arizona heart institute wellness and

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imaging center i pared down the book

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to the best information the 750 page

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journal to the best information that i

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found and did a lot of soul-searching

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and finally came forward in 2004

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uh with the the book the phoenix

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skeptics discovery that we are not alone

365
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and haven't looked back several months

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later i saw a production on the

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documentary and had to make a choice and

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and uh

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and i did

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finish the documentary which is one of

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over a dozen international film festival

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awards uh which we're really so proud of

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and from the heart of her documentary

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especially one of the genre but um you

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know i wanted to get out something out

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there visually with uh not only the

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witnesses um which is very very poignant

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uh

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detailed and heartfelt descriptions but

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also professors and experts that i

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worked with as well and

382
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a lot more so

383
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the information is out there if people

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would like to take a look at it that's

385
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right i would consider this actually one

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of the

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you know the most major sightings ever

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like you said earlier you know this

389
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along with rendelsham forest and

390
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there's a few others that come to mind

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of course roswell but in modern times i

392
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would say yes

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it's kind of funny i think of there's

394
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you know approximately 10 000 people see

395
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this

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and then there's still so many skeptics

397
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about it and then i believe it was a few

398
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months later

399
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um the flare thing came out that's a

400
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really good question a really good point

401
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first of all when somebody tells me oh

402
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they were just slayers and blows it off

403
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you know everybody comes from a

404
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different background from another

405
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different upbringing from a different

406
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belief system some people people can't

407
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deal with this and some people don't

408
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want to deal with it and that's okay

409
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everyone in their own time but again the

410
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information is there if you want to

411
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learn and grow because um i giggle a

412
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little bit when somebody says you know

413
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oh it was flares it was a blimp it was a

414
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hologram dude i know that they haven't

415
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looked at the dad

416
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they haven't read my book and they

417
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haven't looked at the documentary

418
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because there is so much more to the

419
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story that confirms that something

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really extraordinary happened here and

421
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it definitely wasn't flares they may

422
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have sent off some players somewhere but

423
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that's not what thousands of people saw

424
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it must have been swamp gas right

425
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right right you got it well you know uh

426
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jay allen heineck who actually

427
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um

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have brought that uh

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cause up when he was he was plucked out

430
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of the

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astronomical astronomy department there

432
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and they plucked them out to become the

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head of project blue book which was

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actually the only public

435
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the official public investigation of

436
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ufos which closed in 1969 now first of

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all they closed with the announcement

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that ufos are not a threat to national

439
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security the condon report or whatever

440
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it is well that's a whole other thing

441
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okay the

442
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project blue book um

443
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you know their announcement was that uh

444
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ufos are not a threat to national

445
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security

446
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how did they know that okay number one

447
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if they weren't studying it and and

448
00:16:52,310 --> 00:16:49,440
meanwhile uh uh dr heineck not only

449
00:16:54,470 --> 00:16:52,320
coined the phrase close encounters but

450
00:16:57,350 --> 00:16:54,480
right before he passed i believe it was

451
00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:57,360
in 1985 he not only

452
00:17:00,629 --> 00:16:59,279
once the project blew book closed he

453
00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:00,639
formed the

454
00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:03,360
center for ufo studies in chicago but

455
00:17:10,390 --> 00:17:05,600
right before he passed he admitted that

456
00:17:13,350 --> 00:17:10,400
he was told to you know brush off any uh

457
00:17:15,350 --> 00:17:13,360
incredible ufo sightings of swamp kiss

458
00:17:16,949 --> 00:17:15,360
or whatever not to cause panic to the

459
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public because we were dealing with the

460
00:17:22,549 --> 00:17:20,400
cold war at the time um but he also said

461
00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:22,559
which is very poignant that science

462
00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:24,240
happens in threes

463
00:17:30,070 --> 00:17:27,120
first there's complete disbelief

464
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then there's the attitude well

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it might be so

466
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and then the final stage is i know it

467
00:17:38,470 --> 00:17:36,160
all the time and i think that we're

468
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getting closer and closer because we've

469
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really been inundated with missing

470
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disinformation for the last 50 60 years

471
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and certainly since roswell

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and uh it's it's kind of settling in now

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not only

474
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the reality that well we might not be

475
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alone because now kepler in and of

476
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itself is looking for habitable planets

477
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and we know that there

478
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now are trillions of galaxies not just

479
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our one milky way galaxy with trillions

480
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of stars and trillions of planets i mean

481
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the possibilities are endless for for

482
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life out there because we know that the

483
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ingredients of life are out in space

484
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amino acids and hydrogen and nitrogen

485
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and oxygen and so forth so and and even

486
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here on earth

487
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we have uh

488
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microorganisms and whatever that are

489
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survive surviving not only in the hot

490
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springs of yellowstone in a frozen

491
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arctic lakes but just last year nasa

492
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made the huge announcement that uh

493
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there's microbes that are living on

494
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arsenic and and we also know that deep

495
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down in the sea where there's no light

496
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there's no sunlight at all there's still

497
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organisms that are pretty amazing if

498
00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:43,440
you've ever seen

499
00:18:47,990 --> 00:18:45,520
some of that footage but at any rate the

500
00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:48,000
bottom line is that life is is viable

501
00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:50,320
everywhere and you know to think that

502
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there isn't life out there

503
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is really

504
00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:55,760
putting your head in the sand number one

505
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and number two

506
00:19:02,310 --> 00:18:59,840
when people talk about interstellar you

507
00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:02,320
know it's too far to travel and all that

508
00:19:08,390 --> 00:19:05,520
um i'm actually sharing new information

509
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:08,400
in the newest latest edition of my book

510
00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:10,960
which just came out this past year

511
00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:12,480
that i never thought that i would ever

512
00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:14,880
share because it just i still can't wrap

513
00:19:19,590 --> 00:19:17,520
my head around it but it's data and i

514
00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:19,600
have to say that i've really tried to

515
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stick to the data the scientific data as

516
00:19:27,029 --> 00:19:24,960
much as possible here because i am a

517
00:19:30,150 --> 00:19:27,039
scientist and i am a skeptic so a

518
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:30,160
healthy skeptic but nonetheless um i

519
00:19:34,870 --> 00:19:31,840
really tried to put together something

520
00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:34,880
that could not be explained i mean the

521
00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:36,480
data cannot be explained and it

522
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:38,720
certainly can't be denied i've gone too

523
00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:42,000
extremely to have my photographs and and

524
00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:44,320
the my unique collection i have to tell

525
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:47,280
you of these phenomena

526
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:49,360
uh was so

527
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:52,400
not not only massive but also

528
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:54,799
once i went to the university of arizona

529
00:19:59,590 --> 00:19:57,200
optical science department consciousness

530
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:59,600
study department asu arizona state

531
00:20:03,430 --> 00:20:01,360
university geology anthropology

532
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:03,440
mathematics and astronomy departments as

533
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well as the renowned books institute of

534
00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:07,760
photography and navy optical physicist

535
00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:09,919
dr bruce mcabee

536
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to have my photograph 35 millimeter

537
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photographs

538
00:20:18,150 --> 00:20:16,000
analyze no one could give me an answer

539
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:18,160
to what they were to this day

540
00:20:22,390 --> 00:20:20,480
they cannot be explained or denied so

541
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:22,400
when you have that kind of data

542
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:24,720
as an educator and what's ironic

543
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:26,960
actually is that um

544
00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:29,520
i am a medical doctor but i've donated

545
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:32,640
my time and money for the last 35 years

546
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for community education i i worked at

547
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:38,720
nbc in philadelphia with uh

548
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:40,720
jessica savage if anybody remembers that

549
00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:45,520
name uh in in the 70s and and then uh

550
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:48,000
having international syndication grew

551
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,559
from that and then worked with nbc

552
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:52,320
here in phoenix in the early 80s and

553
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then usa cable

554
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:56,960
uh in the mid 80s and actually at that

555
00:21:02,390 --> 00:20:59,520
point seeing kids drowning in substance

556
00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:02,400
abuse in the practice for my own company

557
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:03,600
to produce video and workbook

558
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:04,799
curriculums

559
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:06,559
on the reality of vital health issues

560
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:07,919
like aids and teen pregnancy and

561
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:09,360
substance abuse for the classroom

562
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:11,679
discovery education is distributing them

563
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:14,400
now as we speak and when this fell in my

564
00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:16,559
lap i have to tell you i knew nothing

565
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:18,080
about this topic

566
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:20,400
and so literally pushed my medical

567
00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:23,120
career aside to to find a logical

568
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:25,600
explanation as i mentioned earlier but i

569
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:28,240
have yet to find it and and felt

570
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:30,960
you know obliged once i knew that this

571
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:33,360
information was so credible and so

572
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:36,480
important uh to share it with the public

573
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,760
and um

574
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:39,520
you know have a look back

575
00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:42,320
right right now getting back to the

576
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:43,600
debunking

577
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:46,000
what other disinformation would you say

578
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:48,480
was put out there about this

579
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:49,919
well you know what was really

580
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:52,400
interesting and i guess very puzzling it

581
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:54,240
was very puzzling for the witnesses for

582
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:55,200
sure

583
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:57,360
after the mass sighting

584
00:22:02,470 --> 00:21:59,760
there was no investigation

585
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:02,480
there was no explanation it was uncanny

586
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:03,840
i mean here

587
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:05,360
these phenomena

588
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,880
pass over rooftop level if anything

589
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:10,559
every other people's heads i mean we

590
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:13,200
have credible witnesses we have a pilot

591
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:17,280
in the um who is a vietnam uh

592
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:20,240
pilot as well as as commercial pilot now

593
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:22,640
who had this phenomenon go right over

594
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,640
his head during the mass fighting and he

595
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:26,720
actually looked up into the wells he

596
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:27,679
called them

597
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:30,159
canisters of light huge canisters that

598
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:33,039
had kind of swimming late in it it was

599
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:35,600
very hard to describe like a gaseous

600
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:37,760
type of a situation like nothing that we

601
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:40,480
could ever imagine existing um

602
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:41,360
and

603
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:43,039
uh you know

604
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:44,080
when

605
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:45,520
you have people

606
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,360
with this kind of situation and there's

607
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:49,360
no investigation i mean come on it's a

608
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:52,080
public public safety issue if nothing

609
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:55,039
else but anyway when you look how the

610
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:58,320
story untold unfolded and that's what i

611
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,080
was doing with my book i mean every day

612
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,320
i would sit there not only meticulously

613
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:04,320
trying to study this and find a logical

614
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:05,440
explanation

615
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:08,080
but i was talking to the military you

616
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:09,679
know as much as i could and they were

617
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:11,919
more curious and as curious as we were

618
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:13,760
they were more interested in

619
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:15,280
looking at my data than giving an

620
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:17,440
explanation for it and as far as the

621
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:18,960
witness accounts that's another thing we

622
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:21,840
can get into but um you know there was

623
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:23,679
there was nothing i mean people went to

624
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:25,200
the officials and they would say what

625
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:27,360
something happened on march 13th

626
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:29,600
and as we found out later some of them

627
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:32,320
even saw it and and didn't admit it but

628
00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:33,919
that's a time for them to come forward

629
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:38,240
but at any rate it uh june 18th

630
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,200
a front page usa today article

631
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:43,440
came out opening up our

632
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:46,000
mass sighting to international scrutiny

633
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:47,760
i'm telling you overnight it was

634
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:50,640
unbelievable by the next morning every

635
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:54,080
news station morning show was carrying

636
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:56,320
the phoenix lights and the mass sighting

637
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:58,880
and we were deluged by media from all

638
00:24:03,270 --> 00:24:00,799
over the world overnight it was

639
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:03,280
unbelievable and by

640
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:06,880
late morning the next day june 19th

641
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:10,559
the former governor of phi stockton

642
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:12,480
announced an unscheduled press

643
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:14,720
conference that they had found

644
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:16,400
the culprit and the conference would be

645
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:18,159
later that day the culprit of the mass

646
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:19,039
sighting

647
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:20,880
and everybody took it seriously

648
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:22,240
including the

649
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:23,279
media

650
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:25,360
and here he comes marching out one of

651
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:27,679
his aides with a giant alien head and

652
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:29,840
made a mockery of the whole

653
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:30,799
event

654
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,840
which really offended many many people i

655
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:35,760
mean it wasn't a joke to these people

656
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:36,799
especially

657
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,960
parents that were with children uh were

658
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:40,880
very offended

659
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:42,559
pardon me did he get a lot of flack

660
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:44,000
about that that's something you never

661
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:45,440
hear about

662
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:48,000
well certainly the witnesses um were a

663
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:50,320
guest that he would do such a thing

664
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:52,640
because i mean here they were out and

665
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:54,240
about many people were looking up at the

666
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:55,760
sky at the help of comment when this

667
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:57,360
happened but they were also in sports

668
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:59,760
teams and going to the mall and it was

669
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:01,200
just a lovely night and they were just

670
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:03,279
out and about and this thing passes

671
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:05,039
right over them and he's making a joke

672
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:06,880
of it i mean this this massive thing

673
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:07,760
that

674
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,799
you know

675
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:10,480
it just was was

676
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,200
unbelievable to people that he would do

677
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:16,080
that and i and i have to say yes he he

678
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:17,600
uh you know personally i don't know if

679
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,120
he got slack but i know that i heard

680
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:21,279
heard about it from a lot of people

681
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:24,880
and uh even then i mean it was like you

682
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:26,799
know what's going on here i mean nobody

683
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:28,720
could believe that

684
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:30,960
the the the government and and i think i

685
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:33,919
mentioned earlier that um councilwoman

686
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,240
vice mayor at the time francis barwood

687
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:38,320
innocently at a may meeting one month

688
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,520
before

689
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:42,000
because so many of her constituents had

690
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:44,159
uh called her and also the media

691
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,679
contacted her

692
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:47,600
to ask at the time

693
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:49,679
because they had heard about it um you

694
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:52,559
know what's going on and she innocently

695
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:55,279
asked in a in a council meeting you know

696
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,960
maybe we should look into this and she

697
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:58,799
was plastered i stayed anonymous for

698
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:00,400
seven years and i was so happy that i

699
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:03,200
did because people such as herself and

700
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,520
and other witnesses that came forward

701
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:07,679
especially in the print media here were

702
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:09,760
just ostracized it was awful i mean i

703
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:11,919
have to tell you it was really really

704
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:13,279
sad how

705
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:16,000
initially you know the reaction happened

706
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:18,159
now the tv media was much more on top of

707
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:19,679
things i have to say i have to give them

708
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:22,559
credit for that and when i came forward

709
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,880
i have to talk to you i mean i had done

710
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:26,400
you know health reporting in the early

711
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:27,360
80s

712
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:28,799
and a number of the people that i worked

713
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:31,039
with were just starting off at the time

714
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:34,559
and uh when i came forward in 2004

715
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:36,880
and the the chief investigators mike

716
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:40,159
tanner and jim delatoso

717
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:42,080
had named the person who was letting out

718
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:43,279
all the pictures because this wasn't

719
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:44,799
about me it was about the data and i was

720
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:47,440
happy to leave get my pictures and video

721
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:49,840
out there um they would call that person

722
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:54,240
dr x so when i came forward in 2004

723
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,279
uh and now these people i had known in

724
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:58,799
the early 80s that were just getting

725
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:00,640
started were you know the head of the

726
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,240
news department or the head of

727
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:04,799
production or whatever

728
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:07,039
they were amazing and they were your

729
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:09,760
doctor x will come on over and they ever

730
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:12,000
since i have to tell you ever since they

731
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,960
have been

732
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:14,640
so kind and

733
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:17,360
you know really just on on top of things

734
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:19,440
and yes those things can be explained

735
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:22,000
only a small percentage cannot and we've

736
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,760
had other sightings and some can be

737
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:26,080
explained and some can't but they don't

738
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:27,919
ridicule you always have the abhorrent

739
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:30,880
uh you know anchor on set that will you

740
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:32,080
know make a funny joke because he

741
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,320
doesn't he's not informed and you know

742
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,720
that he's not informed right away but

743
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:38,880
nonetheless that does happen but

744
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,799
um the bulk of the media here

745
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:42,720
particularly the people i know have been

746
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:44,960
so so kind and

747
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:47,520
really on top of things it's been an

748
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:50,159
amazing transformation in and of itself

749
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:53,120
for the media here to take this topic

750
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,520
seriously and that's what has to happen

751
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:57,200
everywhere i mean this is this is a

752
00:28:01,590 --> 00:27:59,360
serious thing this isn't a joke

753
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:01,600
uh you know i've certainly

754
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:04,960
gave up my whole career medical career

755
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:07,120
after i came forward with the book and

756
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:09,200
and i haven't stopped i've been speaking

757
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,640
worldwide just to raise awareness and to

758
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:14,799
just say to people hey you know the data

759
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:17,039
is there and of course it is a choice

760
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:20,240
and we have free will um but the data is

761
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:22,960
there if you care to look at it and to

762
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:24,799
learn and to grow because that's what

763
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:27,440
this is about it's like enough with the

764
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,600
ridicule and the discrediting it's time

765
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:31,679
to get this topic out in the open

766
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:33,120
and address it

767
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:34,399
accept it

768
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:37,279
and study it and science really needs to

769
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:39,840
come aboard here i agree i agree you

770
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:41,760
know and because you know not only to

771
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:44,559
find out who's driving these things but

772
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,720
to move forward in our own evolution

773
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:48,720
that's why i'm sharing this new data now

774
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:51,440
in the in the most recent uh edition of

775
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:52,320
the book

776
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:55,279
that was analyzed way back in 1998 by

777
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:58,559
navy optical physicist dr bruce mcabee

778
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:00,640
the first in the last picture

779
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:03,120
of our very closed sighting

780
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,640
which i can describe for you if we have

781
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:06,799
time to do that um

782
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:07,919
my husband

783
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:10,080
called me to our bedroom window and

784
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,000
we're pretty high in the mountain and

785
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:14,640
paradise valley and uh this is a little

786
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,880
below us over over a private gated uh

787
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,880
area very treacherous land there was

788
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:22,880
nobody standing there doing this or

789
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:25,279
anything like that it was impossible um

790
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,840
there were three orbs in a pyramid

791
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:29,679
formation one on top and too closely

792
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:31,200
aligned underneath

793
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:33,679
just hovering there together and

794
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:35,279
you know coming from a video background

795
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:36,720
i thought oh geez i've got to get my

796
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:37,679
camera

797
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:39,520
but i didn't want to miss anything i

798
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:41,200
didn't know how long it would last and i

799
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:42,880
have to say people say why didn't people

800
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:44,799
get more pictures on march 13. there's

801
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:47,279
only a handful of video well number one

802
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:49,520
we didn't have cell phones much

803
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:52,240
cell phones were big they didn't have um

804
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:54,000
cameras in them and no cameras yeah who

805
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:56,559
goes yeah and who goes out to you know

806
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,919
out and about with cameras in their

807
00:30:02,470 --> 00:29:59,679
hands okay and there were a few people

808
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:02,480
that did to try to catch the hellbop

809
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:05,840
comet but this thing was so massive and

810
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:08,399
and dart you know blackened out the sky

811
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:11,520
that the pictures didn't turn out so

812
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:14,399
anyway getting back to this uh close

813
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:16,799
sighting um i tried to take everything

814
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,679
in mentally the shape the size the color

815
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:21,600
and so forth they were about three to

816
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:24,159
six feet each depending on how close or

817
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:26,080
far they were and they were pretty close

818
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:27,279
i mean they were just yards from our

819
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:28,799
home and

820
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:31,279
they were oval shaped each of them there

821
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:34,320
were three distinct objects uh like an

822
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:38,480
egg on their side and i call them an orb

823
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,799
because the light did not extend outside

824
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:43,200
the edge the light was self-contained

825
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,080
and

826
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:46,559
it there was a uniform amber color

827
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,399
throughout it didn't have like a hot

828
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,480
spot like a light bulb and it didn't

829
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,799
glare at all that that i noticed

830
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,720
immediately every other light out there

831
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:56,640
glared but these didn't they were very

832
00:31:02,950 --> 00:30:59,840
soothing very mesmerizing and as i'm

833
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:02,960
looking at him uh you know in awe i

834
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:04,640
thought if i don't get a picture of this

835
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:07,120
nobody's going to believe it so i ran to

836
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:09,039
the closet to grab my 35 millimeter

837
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:11,039
enzymatic camera

838
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:13,840
that i keep handy to capture sunsets and

839
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,440
by the way anybody who gets on the photo

840
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,600
page on the phoenixflights.net

841
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:19,600
phoenix flights network

842
00:31:23,510 --> 00:31:21,120
we'll see at the bottom of the photo

843
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:23,520
page are a couple sunsets where there's

844
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:24,559
actually

845
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:25,760
a rod

846
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:29,440
giant rod or cigar shaped object in two

847
00:31:35,510 --> 00:31:32,159
different pictures two different roles

848
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,520
uh november and december

849
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:38,080
of 2000 that i did not see

850
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:40,000
these objects while i was taking the

851
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:42,080
pictures but they're in the negative so

852
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:44,720
they're around and we can get to the uh

853
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:47,200
to the reason i'm sharing this this new

854
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:48,559
data as well

855
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:51,360
um but at any rate go to grab my camera

856
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,279
my husband calls me back get over here

857
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:55,840
quick one of them is disappearing and as

858
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:59,440
we watch the top orb started to dim but

859
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:00,640
it was like

860
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:03,519
mechanical like it started to implode

861
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,279
from the outside inwards very very very

862
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:09,600
slowly getting smaller and smaller and

863
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:11,600
smaller as if there was an intelligence

864
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:12,799
behind it

865
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:14,880
until it was a dot and then it was gone

866
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,000
but

867
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,480
it still felt as if it was still there i

868
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,640
i it's very hard to describe and where

869
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:22,640
did it go did it go to another dimension

870
00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:24,240
and it felt like it was still there but

871
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:26,840
we didn't see it i went out onto the

872
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:29,120
balcony caught a quick picture of the

873
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:31,360
two bottom orbs and that's posted on the

874
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:32,720
on the website

875
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:35,600
and immediately noticed an eerie silence

876
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,600
as if time had stopped it was just

877
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:39,120
uncanny and

878
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:42,960
uh as intently as i was watching these

879
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:45,840
two lower orbs it felt as if something

880
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:48,159
was watching me i have to admit it and i

881
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:49,679
did not admit it till after the mass

882
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,440
sighting two years later

883
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:54,000
but going through my mind at that moment

884
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:55,919
i was thinking who are you what are you

885
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:57,360
do you know that i'm here i'd love to

886
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:58,399
meet you

887
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,320
and the next thing i remember the left

888
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:02,159
bottom orb started to

889
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:05,200
implode as well as just like the top one

890
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,519
did and i quickly shot a picture of that

891
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:09,120
and that's also posted and that was the

892
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:11,360
only picture that turned out at the time

893
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:13,600
but for me it was spectacular because i

894
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:17,440
caught the phenomena in progress and and

895
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:19,039
disappearing and you can see right there

896
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:20,559
one path disappeared and one's still

897
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:21,600
there

898
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:24,000
but i didn't even know who to show it to

899
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:26,480
i have to tell you i i do no one

900
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:28,640
associated at all or interested in the

901
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,600
topic um and you know i just wondered

902
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:33,120
for two years what this advanced

903
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:35,600
technology was doing outside our bedroom

904
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:37,600
window why my husband and i saw it

905
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:39,519
together and you know looked out in the

906
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:41,360
sky didn't see anything

907
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:43,279
similar to that until two months before

908
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:45,039
the mass sighting and i i mentioned that

909
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:48,159
earlier um i saw these orbs come back at

910
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:50,480
a distance and i guess the scientists

911
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,320
and they just felt compelled to document

912
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:54,320
them on film and i'm really happy that i

913
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:55,919
did by the way

914
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,679
video doesn't do it justice anybody

915
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,679
that's seen the video that these lights

916
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:01,679
are much smaller they flicker they're

917
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:04,720
white and and in real life they're huge

918
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:07,600
balls actually spinning balls of energy

919
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:09,520
maybe they they're living energy

920
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:11,919
themselves in fact the first picture

921
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,679
that i have posted on the um

922
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:17,760
photo page on the phoenix place network

923
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:19,839
is the typography so people can see the

924
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:20,960
view from

925
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:24,079
our balcony and as you can see there's

926
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:26,960
two mountain ranges in the distance

927
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:29,520
right beyond the uh the airport

928
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:32,240
one is south mountain on the left and

929
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:35,200
the other further back a few miles is

930
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:37,280
the australian mountain range

931
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:40,240
and in between the basin in between is

932
00:34:44,669 --> 00:34:42,639
the gila river indian reservation which

933
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:44,679
is very sacred ground now

934
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:46,800
serendipitously and by the way i've come

935
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:48,399
not to believe in coincidence there are

936
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:50,240
just too many coincidences and i hope

937
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,399
people pick up the book to to read about

938
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:54,720
those that are just

939
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:57,119
blow your blow you away but at any rate

940
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,880
this is one of the coincidences six

941
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:01,200
months before the mass sighting

942
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,960
i was invited to present my substance

943
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:04,880
abuse prevention education program to

944
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:07,760
the gila school there which is the

945
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:09,119
one school that they have on the

946
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:10,400
reservation

947
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,680
and

948
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:13,920
got a little friendly with them

949
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:15,839
they don't usually talk to outsiders but

950
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:17,119
i went to them

951
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:19,040
after the mass sighting because as i

952
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:21,280
looked at the data and science we looked

953
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:22,960
for repeatability

954
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,440
i kept seeing that these

955
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:27,359
phenomena it's right there the data

956
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:29,119
speaks for itself

957
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:31,440
keep popping up right where south

958
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:33,440
mountain and the australians intersect

959
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:35,599
and their basin you know in the basin is

960
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:37,280
is where their reservation is so i

961
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:38,560
called them up

962
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:40,800
and i said did anybody happen to see

963
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:43,040
strange lights on march 13th and they

964
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:44,480
started to giggle

965
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:46,240
and i said is that funny and they said

966
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:47,920
are you kidding we've been looking up at

967
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:50,000
them for centuries we call them sky

968
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:50,880
people

969
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,880
like beings yeah it's part of their

970
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,640
culture i knew nothing

971
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,480
about that and and what i found out

972
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,720
actually once i started investigating

973
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:00,720
that part of it is that

974
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:03,200
indigenous cultures worldwide

975
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,560
believe that there are other

976
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,480
intelligences coming to visit them they

977
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:08,560
have protocols even right here the hopi

978
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:11,359
have protocols to invite these phenomena

979
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:13,200
in the navajo actually we have a big

980
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:16,320
event happening uh shortly to celebrate

981
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:19,520
the 15th anniversary and navajo rangers

982
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:21,920
will be will be sharing the

983
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:25,520
uh plethora of sightings and anomalous

984
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:27,839
phenomena that are occurring on their

985
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:29,680
reservation and again these are very

986
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:32,560
sacred grounds but um the bottom line is

987
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:34,480
that native peoples have believed for

988
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,200
centuries that uh there are other

989
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:39,599
intelligences out there and and

990
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:40,800
many of them believe that their

991
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:43,119
ancestors coming to give them

992
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:45,680
inspiration and comfort

993
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:48,079
and messages and in fact

994
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:51,280
there are petroglyphs okay drawings in

995
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:53,920
the stone and one of the drawings which

996
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:56,800
blew me away the trail on south mountain

997
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:00,640
is three orbs in a triangle formation

998
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:02,400
that really blew me away when i saw that

999
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:04,480
one but also

1000
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,880
uh you know australia means star in

1001
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:08,640
spanish it was named by the spaniards

1002
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:10,480
because of the stories these stories of

1003
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:13,760
these words showing up in that area and

1004
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:16,400
that the the native people now call the

1005
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:18,400
australians the gateway to the stars

1006
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:20,320
they believe that there is a gateway or

1007
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:22,240
portal in that area and if you look at

1008
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:23,520
my pictures

1009
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,839
that might be true but the reason i'm

1010
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,440
sharing now what happened with the

1011
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:29,520
closed sighting is that

1012
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:31,920
um inevitably and we don't have time to

1013
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:33,760
go into those stories i do hope people

1014
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:36,079
read the story in the in the book as it

1015
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:38,000
unfolded because it is fascinating

1016
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:39,359
because i

1017
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:41,520
there were just so many different events

1018
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:44,400
and coincidences that uh i finally

1019
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:46,320
discovered that i did have more uh

1020
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:48,079
photographic documentation that i didn't

1021
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,200
even realize i had and uh

1022
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:53,440
so i sent the first and the last picture

1023
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:55,839
from the closed sighting

1024
00:38:02,310 --> 00:37:59,119
along with some footage of a 1998

1025
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:02,320
sighting that i alerted uh some of the

1026
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,160
other videographers about and we

1027
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:06,800
actually caught a 20-minute array 40

1028
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:10,880
miles wide totally unlike march 13th but

1029
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,440
nonetheless spectacular of straight

1030
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:15,359
lines of these orbs and

1031
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,200
mirror images and a giant um

1032
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,520
pyramid of three lights at the end it

1033
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:23,359
was kind of a grand finale it was pretty

1034
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:26,079
impressive but as an afterthought i sent

1035
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:27,599
the first and the last picture from the

1036
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:29,119
closed sighting

1037
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:31,040
to dr bruce mcaveeney the optical

1038
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:33,520
physicist and he comes back a couple of

1039
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:35,680
weeks later and he says now you told me

1040
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:38,480
that that closed meeting in 95

1041
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:40,880
was only a couple minutes or so i said

1042
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:43,280
right he says are you sure i said well

1043
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:44,880
that's what i remember what i what i

1044
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:46,880
just shared with your audience is what i

1045
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:48,800
remember of that sighting i don't really

1046
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:50,800
even remember

1047
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:53,839
the last door disappearing or going

1048
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,160
inside and certainly didn't look at the

1049
00:39:02,870 --> 00:38:58,560
clock and whatever it's kind of fuzzy

1050
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:02,880
but at any rate um he says uh ask your

1051
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:05,440
husband now interestingly he wanted my

1052
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:08,800
husband to confirm that the time

1053
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:11,760
for me that closed sighting was wondrous

1054
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:14,800
and awesome and just as many people

1055
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:17,119
throughout the state would describe on

1056
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,240
march 13th they felt grateful

1057
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:22,400
and they were blessed to have seen the

1058
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:25,119
spectacular show

1059
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:26,560
my husband didn't want to talk about it

1060
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,400
he's very busy with the practice and

1061
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:32,640
he was on several state and hospital

1062
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:34,079
medical boards at the time and he just

1063
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:36,320
didn't want to deal with it at all i

1064
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:37,599
mean he really didn't want to talk about

1065
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:39,920
it and i told dr mcabee that he said

1066
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:42,079
well sit him down and confirm the time

1067
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:44,720
at any rate so i did and he confirmed it

1068
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:46,560
was like three four minutes tops and i

1069
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:48,320
went back to dr mac being told him that

1070
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:49,839
he said that's impossible i said what do

1071
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:50,880
you mean

1072
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:52,960
he says and of course it's a visual but

1073
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:54,079
look you know if you're looking at the

1074
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,160
pictures you can see it straight on

1075
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:59,040
number one the same phenomena the same

1076
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,680
exact orbs in a line that i would

1077
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:03,440
capture two months before the mass

1078
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:05,680
sighting head on turning into a v

1079
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:07,599
and during the mass lighting with the

1080
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,680
video of the three points of lights that

1081
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:11,440
originally started out as six points of

1082
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:12,480
light

1083
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:13,359
uh

1084
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:14,880
the same phenomenon is in the same

1085
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,200
location in the 95

1086
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:19,520
sighting as well in the closed orbs

1087
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:20,960
while we were so concentrated on the

1088
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:22,640
closed doors i never noticed any lights

1089
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:25,040
on the distance and

1090
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:27,119
they're disappearing too so if you go

1091
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:28,000
back

1092
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,640
uh because i i relayed that some people

1093
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:32,480
said they saw these orbs detached from

1094
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:34,000
the main object go out into the

1095
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,560
environment and then re-dock with it

1096
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:38,640
maybe that's what happened in 95 i don't

1097
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:40,240
know but nonetheless he says that's

1098
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,599
that's one thing

1099
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:43,520
he said the most significant thing is

1100
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,760
when you look at the skyline there's

1101
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:47,680
many groups of lights that are on in the

1102
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:50,240
first picture that are off in the last

1103
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:52,000
picture he said that doesn't happen in a

1104
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,359
couple minutes

1105
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,280
he says i'd like you to do an experiment

1106
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:57,839
he says go out on the balcony stand

1107
00:41:01,190 --> 00:41:00,319
where you're probably standing in 95 and

1108
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:01,200
take

1109
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,560
the skyline at night one every hour then

1110
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,400
the next night every half hour and then

1111
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:08,560
the next night every 15 minutes and

1112
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,480
we'll see when the lights are going out

1113
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:12,640
so we can evaluate what we're talking

1114
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:15,200
about in time-wise well i usually take a

1115
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:18,079
bath between seven and eight

1116
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:20,319
in the evening when we're home and so to

1117
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:22,560
be conservative let's say eight o'clock

1118
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:23,839
and by the way it was the night before

1119
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:25,920
my birthday so it was a really cool

1120
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:27,680
coincidence then too

1121
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:29,839
it was a really cool gift but anyway if

1122
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,160
we start out at eight o'clock

1123
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,040
uh to be conservative the first groups

1124
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,680
of light start going out at nine

1125
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:39,599
and the last picture

1126
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,119
is indicative of 10 30 11 o'clock

1127
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:45,359
and he asked me if he could present the

1128
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,640
case at the upcoming 1999 mufon mutual

1129
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:50,160
ufo network

1130
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,680
uh symposium in washington dc now i

1131
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:55,599
couldn't i had no idea what he was

1132
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:57,440
talking about i would have never noticed

1133
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:59,200
this in a billion years

1134
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:00,880
and i just said to him look you know

1135
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:03,040
whatever you think is appropriate just

1136
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:05,359
keep my name out of it i i can't wrap my

1137
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:07,599
head around this and

1138
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:11,440
he did in 1999 presented the case at the

1139
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:13,440
mufon international symposium washington

1140
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:14,480
dc

1141
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:17,839
as the first authenticated photographic

1142
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,359
evidence ever

1143
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:21,440
of missing time

1144
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:23,839
now that's significant because there are

1145
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:26,400
no pictures from the same time but i

1146
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:27,839
never told us all

1147
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:30,319
i never shared it it's not even

1148
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:33,200
mentioned in my first book um or the

1149
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:34,960
second edition but

1150
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:39,119
when i was asked to uh actually

1151
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,960
tell about what has happened since i

1152
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,400
came forward from seven years of

1153
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:44,720
anonymity in 2004

1154
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,160
the publisher wanted me to write another

1155
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:48,240
book and i said that's not happening

1156
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:50,079
number one um

1157
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:51,359
it was one of the hardest things i've

1158
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:52,960
ever done but

1159
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,319
it's really important that people read

1160
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:56,480
the first book so i said i would i would

1161
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:59,119
you know add another chapter on uh

1162
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:00,319
similar sightings that have been

1163
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,359
happening worldwide such as um uh

1164
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:05,359
stephenville sighting and i learned that

1165
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,440
there was a mass sighting one month

1166
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:09,839
before ours in saint petersburg russia

1167
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:11,680
where a couple people got video in fact

1168
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:13,839
one of the videos of this massive

1169
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:15,680
formation of lights each light is made

1170
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:18,079
up of three lights in and of itself

1171
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,119
is the craft that we have on the cover

1172
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:23,760
of the newest version of our documentary

1173
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:25,760
the phoenix lights beyond top secret

1174
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,440
because it's the same thing it was in

1175
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,200
saint petersburg russia a month before

1176
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:31,200
ours this is happening worldwide and

1177
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:33,280
other countries are much more open to

1178
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,240
these things being unearthly but anyway

1179
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,640
the reason that um

1180
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:40,400
i'm sharing this information for the

1181
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:41,920
first time now

1182
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:43,200
is because

1183
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:44,720
number one i do not believe in

1184
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:46,400
coincidence anymore and if i have the

1185
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:47,359
data

1186
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:50,240
maybe it's important if it's if it could

1187
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:51,839
open a door

1188
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,760
if science would really take a look at

1189
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:55,920
it and if it could open the door not

1190
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:56,880
only

1191
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:58,079
to

1192
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:00,560
blow the

1193
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:03,520
concept of linear time off the map

1194
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:05,920
that it's primitive the past present and

1195
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:07,040
future

1196
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:09,920
is not really what time really is and

1197
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:11,119
also

1198
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:14,000
even more significant i think is that uh

1199
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,760
now that quantum physics and quantum

1200
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:17,680
mechanics is starting to catch up and

1201
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:19,200
talking about the bubble theory and

1202
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:22,400
string theory of the possibility of uh

1203
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:25,440
10 or 11 different dimensions out there

1204
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:28,480
well you know this opens up a whole new

1205
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:31,119
window for us where if there's other

1206
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,319
times and spaces along with ours

1207
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:36,560
then why is it such a leak to think that

1208
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:39,119
there might be other sentient

1209
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:41,440
intelligent beings in those other times

1210
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:43,839
and spaces that we get glimpses of if

1211
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:46,000
we're open to them or invited

1212
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:48,160
so i thought that you know what at this

1213
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,079
point in history i couldn't have done

1214
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,560
this five years ago but at this point

1215
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:54,640
because quantum physics and our science

1216
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:57,520
is starting to catch up and and and

1217
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:59,040
actually be open

1218
00:45:02,069 --> 00:44:59,839
to

1219
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:02,079
the possibility of other dimensions out

1220
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:05,040
there um that i think is really

1221
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:08,000
significant really significant

1222
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:09,599
i remember that's why i'm sharing it

1223
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:12,000
good okay i remember in high school i

1224
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,920
had a science teacher who said the one

1225
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:15,839
thing that can never really be defined

1226
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:16,960
is time

1227
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:19,280
and i uh i always uh

1228
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:21,119
always thought you know you might have

1229
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:23,200
something there still do i want to talk

1230
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:24,480
about a couple of different things first

1231
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:26,800
of all for people who have not heard

1232
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:29,680
this story i'd like to

1233
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:32,640
follow up on what fife symington did

1234
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:35,040
after the situation he came forward i

1235
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:36,880
want to talk a little bit about that but

1236
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:39,520
also one thing that comes to mind is

1237
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:41,920
there's not someone outside observing

1238
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,160
all the time and i know that there were

1239
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:47,280
some sightings afterwards in the same

1240
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:50,480
valley but uh i mean can you imagine how

1241
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,599
many times

1242
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:53,440
that craft in particular or in other

1243
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:54,480
crafts

1244
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:56,319
that were cited have come through there

1245
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:58,079
that people never saw you know i mean

1246
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:59,119
we're only

1247
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,760
awake so many hours a day and right no

1248
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:03,599
absolutely you're absolutely right i

1249
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:04,640
mean i get

1250
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:06,560
reports i have thousands and thousands

1251
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:08,240
of reports not only from all over the

1252
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:11,200
world and you know it's so heartening to

1253
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:12,800
know that people appreciate the work

1254
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:15,119
that's gone into this because i really

1255
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:16,960
tried to do my homework for everybody

1256
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:17,839
and

1257
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:20,240
um you know once people look at it they

1258
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:21,920
they really appreciate not only the work

1259
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:24,560
that's gone into it but the reality of

1260
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:27,040
this and that uh yes you're absolutely

1261
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,400
right i mean there have been sightings

1262
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:30,240
you know as i mentioned the sunset uh

1263
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:31,920
pictures of these rods i mean there have

1264
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:33,520
been numerous sightings and other

1265
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:35,359
mountain ranges superstition mountains

1266
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:37,440
and so forth right here in the phoenix

1267
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,960
area this is happening worldwide it's

1268
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:40,560
not just phoenix okay and the mass

1269
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,520
sighting was statewide but um people

1270
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,760
have seen these rods around the world

1271
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:47,280
these cigar-shaped

1272
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:50,400
uh objects huge massive as and called a

1273
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:53,599
mother ship or whatever with orbs or

1274
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:56,160
smaller ships uh discs or whatever

1275
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,560
coming out from these cigar shape things

1276
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:00,480
so you know when you

1277
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:01,760
when you think of the different things

1278
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,680
that are happening worldwide these

1279
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:05,760
triangles that have actually been with

1280
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:06,640
us

1281
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:08,160
these v-shaped

1282
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:10,079
objects probably before but they were

1283
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:13,920
documented on film uh in the 50s in the

1284
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:15,440
the lubbock lights if you've ever heard

1285
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:18,319
of that very similar to what um to what

1286
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:21,760
we saw in fact before that time in 1897

1287
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:24,319
april of night 1897 which is really

1288
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:26,160
interesting because it was almost

1289
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:29,680
exactly 100 years before us uh in kansas

1290
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:32,640
california washington and

1291
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:34,000
canada

1292
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:35,839
they were describing thousands of people

1293
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:38,480
were describing this massive airship in

1294
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:40,400
their words

1295
00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:44,480
this is before ufos came into play um

1296
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:46,560
but massive airship

1297
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:47,359
with

1298
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:49,839
movable lights now you know when you go

1299
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,200
back and you

1300
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:53,280
know listen to the descriptions of these

1301
00:47:56,550 --> 00:47:55,280
orbs detaching from the main object and

1302
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:56,560
going out into the environment and

1303
00:48:02,470 --> 00:47:58,560
re-docking with it this was happening in

1304
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:02,480
1897 okay and that's six years before

1305
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:04,720
the wright brothers came out to you know

1306
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:07,760
the first first planes of flight so what

1307
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:10,319
was that okay and and even before that i

1308
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:11,520
mean we have

1309
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:13,440
drawings i talked about petroglyphs on

1310
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:15,839
south mountain but there are drawings

1311
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:18,400
etched in primitive caves in pakistan

1312
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:19,520
and peru

1313
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:22,720
of long extinct animals with a ufo what

1314
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:25,119
we would call ufo in the sky

1315
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:27,200
why is that there why would they even do

1316
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:28,960
that unless they had seen something that

1317
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:31,119
they're illustrating

1318
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:34,240
and certainly in sumerian writings and

1319
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:37,599
indian writings and even the bible these

1320
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:39,520
these phenomena have been with us since

1321
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:42,400
human documentation began that that blew

1322
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:44,160
me away when i learned that i mean i had

1323
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:47,280
no idea and and certainly you know as we

1324
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:50,720
fast forward and uh we get to the world

1325
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:52,720
war ii foo fighters

1326
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:55,839
i i conferred with dr bruce dr richard

1327
00:49:02,549 --> 00:48:58,960
haynes who is a phd psychologist who has

1328
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,559
studied uh very well respected and he

1329
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:04,400
studied pilot savings thousands of

1330
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:05,680
pilots lately

1331
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:07,440
and particularly foo fighters in world

1332
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:09,359
war ii every side thought that the other

1333
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:11,599
side had this advanced spy technology

1334
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:13,440
these orbs

1335
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:15,520
that were in rock solid

1336
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:17,599
for formation twos and threes that were

1337
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,079
flying around their planes and it wasn't

1338
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:22,319
until after the war germany japan and

1339
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:24,800
the united states tried to study these

1340
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:25,920
phenomena

1341
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:27,760
and everybody learned that nobody had

1342
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:29,599
them

1343
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:31,839
so they've been around for a long long

1344
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:34,960
time and you know besides uh the 80s and

1345
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:38,000
the 90s with um i think the 60s actually

1346
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:40,160
was uh with hudson valley new york there

1347
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:43,119
was a big sighting there uh of these

1348
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:45,920
giant triangle crafts as well as uh uk

1349
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,200
and belgium

1350
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,680
in the 90s came to the united states and

1351
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:51,599
said are you doing this the united

1352
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:53,920
states slightly denied that we were

1353
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:57,200
and they they're a model uh just as a

1354
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:00,640
media is a model here in phoenix area

1355
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:03,040
their model belgium is a model for what

1356
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:04,720
should happen when there's anomalous

1357
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:06,319
sightings

1358
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:08,960
they they join forces with the military

1359
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:11,040
the government the

1360
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:13,920
university and civilians to try to find

1361
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:16,640
an answer and study these phenomena and

1362
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,800
that's what needs to happen so i hope

1363
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:20,880
you know i hope with the internet and by

1364
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,359
the way the phoenix lights was the first

1365
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:25,440
mass sighting that was had chat rooms on

1366
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:26,559
the internet

1367
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:28,880
and yeah we certainly come a long way i

1368
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:31,119
mean i have to tell you too that

1369
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:34,079
when i first came forward in 2004 the

1370
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:36,160
official and accepted except for the

1371
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:37,520
witnesses of course

1372
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:39,520
explanation of the phoenix lights was

1373
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:42,000
that it was merely illumination flares

1374
00:50:46,549 --> 00:50:44,400
military elimination flares and that was

1375
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:46,559
it i mean that was it and so you can

1376
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,640
only imagine how frustrating it was for

1377
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:50,960
someone like myself that knew there was

1378
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:52,880
so much words of the story that the

1379
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:55,680
public wasn't aware of and and really

1380
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:57,839
prompted me to come forward and as you

1381
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:00,559
said um you know the more credible

1382
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:02,800
people that come forward uh the more we

1383
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,480
can get this information out there in a

1384
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:06,400
credible way and right after the 10th

1385
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,440
anniversary the former governor who had

1386
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:11,760
mocked the sighting in 97 by bringing

1387
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:14,079
out his aid with a giant alien head

1388
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:16,880
costume uh and made a mockery of it

1389
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:19,599
admitted that he actually saw it that's

1390
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:22,559
right and as a pilot and military it was

1391
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:25,440
otherworldly in its own words and it

1392
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,920
unless the military gave an explanation

1393
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:29,520
which they never have other than the

1394
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:31,040
flare thing and i'll get back to that in

1395
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:33,040
a second um

1396
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:36,000
that it's aliens i mean from another

1397
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:37,839
world so

1398
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:40,000
that's number one which was really a big

1399
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:41,839
step forward i think for an elected

1400
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:43,599
elected official to

1401
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:45,760
come forward and admit that he actually

1402
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:48,480
saw it but on the other side

1403
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:50,319
when they finally came out with the

1404
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:52,000
flare theory and there's a whole story

1405
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:54,720
for that because a month after the usa

1406
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,200
today article came out i get a call

1407
00:52:01,030 --> 00:51:59,520
from the head of pr at the air national

1408
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:01,040
guard now mind you they had to come up

1409
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:03,520
with something because the media was

1410
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:06,400
just frantic on you know and really i

1411
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:08,559
mean they deluge uh

1412
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:10,720
the state with with questions why isn't

1413
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:13,119
there an explanation why isn't there an

1414
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,440
investigation once they talked to the

1415
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,680
witnesses their descriptions were so

1416
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:19,599
detailed and so heartfelt they really

1417
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:22,400
pressured and in fact francis barwood

1418
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:25,280
ran on a platform at the time this is

1419
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:27,680
three years later um

1420
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:30,079
for to become secretary of state on a

1421
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:31,760
platform to get answers for the phoenix

1422
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:33,200
flights but anyway let me go back for a

1423
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:36,000
second um so a month after the usa today

1424
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:37,440
article came out i get a call from the

1425
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:40,240
head of the pr at the air national guard

1426
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:42,000
and she says oh dr lynn i think we know

1427
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:43,839
what those lights were back in march and

1428
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:46,240
i said you do she said oh yeah do you

1429
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:47,920
believe that nobody ever looked at the

1430
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:49,920
log for visiting air national guard this

1431
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:52,400
is four and a half months later uh and

1432
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:54,240
the maryland air national guard was in

1433
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:57,119
town sending off flares and operation

1434
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:59,599
snowbird which i came to learn from the

1435
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:01,280
military means uh

1436
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:04,079
diversionary tactical maneuvers okay so

1437
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:05,520
i have no doubt that players may have

1438
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:07,040
been sent off but that certainly isn't

1439
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:09,280
what thousands of people saw here but at

1440
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:11,520
any rate she said and that must be what

1441
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:13,680
some people saw

1442
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,119
and i said well when was the maryland

1443
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:17,040
air national guard in town

1444
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:19,119
she said march 1st to the 15th i said

1445
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:21,040
were they in town in january she said oh

1446
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:22,960
no i said are you sure she said

1447
00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:24,720
absolutely i said well

1448
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:27,040
i have 35 millimeter photographs of the

1449
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:29,920
same phenomena in the same location

1450
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:32,240
confirmed by air traffic controllers two

1451
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:34,480
months before the mass sighting as being

1452
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:36,160
hovering over class b restricted

1453
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:38,319
airspace a thousand feet altitude and

1454
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:40,079
she said you never told me that wow

1455
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:42,640
that's great yeah and then i and then i

1456
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:44,559
said and by then i had educated myself

1457
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:46,319
looking for a logical explanation i had

1458
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:48,880
talked to every military base i said and

1459
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:50,960
you're trying to say that flares that

1460
00:53:56,150 --> 00:53:53,839
cannot keep affirmation that drift and

1461
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:56,160
drop with the wind they have parachutes

1462
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:58,400
they're just drifting haphazardly and

1463
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:00,319
have huge smoke trails that are

1464
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:03,040
illuminated by the flare itself and

1465
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:04,559
illuminate that's what they're for to

1466
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:07,599
illuminate the area not one not one as i

1467
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:09,680
described earlier the phoenix lights the

1468
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:12,319
light was self-contained okay now one

1469
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:13,760
person described that i said you're

1470
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:15,839
trying to say that that players that

1471
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:18,079
cannot keep affirmation for more than a

1472
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:19,680
couple minutes i mean they're

1473
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:22,160
immediately uh you know falling and

1474
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:25,359
haphazard traverse the entire state for

1475
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:28,960
hours in a rock solid equidistant space

1476
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:31,520
v formation a mile wide

1477
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:33,839
and she says i have a call coming in

1478
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:35,680
i'll get back to you well i'm still

1479
00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:39,599
waiting it's almost 15 years

1480
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:41,599
getting back to what you said earlier i

1481
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:43,839
think the my personal opinion here is i

1482
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:45,359
think the difference between the belgian

1483
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:47,599
government and the u.s government is

1484
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:50,960
that the u.s government knows a lot more

1485
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:53,200
and just keeping the lid on it that's uh

1486
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:55,280
you know and i know and nobody knows why

1487
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,440
it's a very good point nobody knows why

1488
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:59,680
i mean initially in the you know in the

1489
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:01,440
50s and whatever

1490
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:03,359
you know when project blue book came out

1491
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,040
you mentioned the condom report was

1492
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:07,119
which was a joke in itself by the way i

1493
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:09,200
mean the university of denver

1494
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:10,000
uh

1495
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:10,960
or

1496
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:16,319
done by one man condom

1497
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:17,200
i mean

1498
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:19,920
he you know supposedly from what i've

1499
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:22,640
learned um didn't didn't even really

1500
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:24,079
investigate it and anything that was

1501
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:25,920
credible was brushed aside just like

1502
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:28,640
project blue book so um there's another

1503
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:30,400
report that was done in france a few

1504
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:32,400
years ago called the committee report

1505
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:34,880
right c-o-m-e-t

1506
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:37,680
where they really get into the the the

1507
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:38,559
uh

1508
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:40,319
the facts of these things and and the

1509
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:42,559
fact that they are anomalous so there

1510
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:43,359
are

1511
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:46,640
advanced anomalous aerial phenomena that

1512
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:48,640
are gracing our skies there is no doubt

1513
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:50,799
about it that are not from here

1514
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:53,040
and um even though most things can be

1515
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:55,520
explained there are those that can't and

1516
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:57,119
they address that i mean if anybody

1517
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:59,119
wants to read a very credible report

1518
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:00,960
because they were they actually made

1519
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:02,880
that report because of national security

1520
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,799
which is what you know obviously like

1521
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:06,400
you said i mean

1522
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:07,599
you know as much as they say that

1523
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:10,400
they're not studying this um somebody is

1524
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:12,559
and somebody knows what's going on and

1525
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:13,839
you know i mean

1526
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:15,440
in the 50s it was because they didn't

1527
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:18,400
want as dr heineck said you know to to

1528
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:21,920
stir panic um you know i think now we've

1529
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:25,280
been so inundated for so many decades

1530
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:28,160
with the possibilities that we are being

1531
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:30,880
visited and now with the internet i mean

1532
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:33,839
it's in real time i i have a couple of

1533
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,400
facebook pages and i urge anyone to join

1534
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:38,079
us please at phoenix lights network

1535
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:39,440
because i update things all the time

1536
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:42,000
with similar sightings worldwide and and

1537
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:44,960
here as well and um i get posts from

1538
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:47,040
people in real time they're seeing

1539
00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:48,319
something at that moment and says

1540
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:52,000
anybody seeing this in ohio or nevada or

1541
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,079
you know idaho or whatever

1542
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:56,160
which is very cool i mean that's cool

1543
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:58,079
that's what should happen we really need

1544
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:00,319
to get some kind of a

1545
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:02,400
central place not just to report them

1546
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:03,760
and certainly you can report them to

1547
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:06,480
mufon and the national ufo reporting

1548
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:08,160
center they're great

1549
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:09,839
resources but

1550
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,079
there really needs to be a place where

1551
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:14,880
when it's happening in real time uh and

1552
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:17,440
i i hope i i wish i had the capital to

1553
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:21,200
do this but uh but i don't um to to make

1554
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:23,520
a center a central place where there is

1555
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:25,359
when there is sightings and the internet

1556
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:26,960
is helping out on that and facebook as

1557
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:30,160
well uh to to to where they're when

1558
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:31,920
there is a sighting that people alert

1559
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:33,440
other people right away so they can go

1560
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:35,359
out with their cameras and with their

1561
00:57:39,670 --> 00:57:37,599
own eyes and take a look at it um i

1562
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:39,680
think that would be really cool right

1563
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:41,839
now we're just about out of time here um

1564
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:44,880
do you ever think that you'll get back

1565
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:48,160
to your medical career and has this

1566
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:51,440
actually hurt your chances to do that

1567
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:53,200
no i was really surprised it was very

1568
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:54,960
precarious for a medical doctor

1569
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:57,520
particularly at that time we've come

1570
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:59,119
a long way i have to tell you we have a

1571
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:01,200
lot more to go but you know like i said

1572
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:02,960
when i came forward the official

1573
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:05,599
explanation was that it was flares and

1574
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:08,640
now worldwide um because of the book the

1575
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:10,799
documentary and certainly many other

1576
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:12,640
people including

1577
00:58:17,829 --> 00:58:15,119
the councilwoman barwood and

1578
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:17,839
the former governor coming forward um

1579
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:19,760
have gotten this out there and raised

1580
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:22,559
awareness worldwide that uh that

1581
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:24,240
something really spectacular and

1582
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:26,240
extraordinary happened here that you

1583
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:27,760
know again i know people really take a

1584
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:30,319
look at the facts um that when they have

1585
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:32,240
sightings worldwide that are similar

1586
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,359
whether it's orbs or v's either giant v

1587
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:37,200
or or triangle crypt

1588
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:39,599
they say oh look there's the phoenix

1589
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:41,760
that's really really cool i mean that

1590
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:43,280
that talked about being

1591
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:45,280
amazing and rewarding that people

1592
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:47,040
actually are are becoming more and more

1593
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:48,960
aware of the phoenix flights event in

1594
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:51,599
fact ann strieber whitley strieber's uh

1595
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:53,200
wife a couple years ago said something

1596
00:58:56,950 --> 00:58:54,880
really enduring daring he says lynch

1597
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:56,960
said you've come up such a long way uh

1598
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:58,480
phoenix flights is now up there with

1599
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:00,480
xerox and uh

1600
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:02,880
kleenex that i you know i had to laugh

1601
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:04,960
because it's true it's you know

1602
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:06,240
certainly there's many people out there

1603
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:08,079
that don't know about it yet and i hope

1604
00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:09,920
they find out about it but it's one of

1605
00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:12,400
the most credible most documented mass

1606
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:14,559
sightings ever and as far as my coming

1607
00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:16,799
forward i really tried to do my homework

1608
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:19,839
before i did so that you know look it is

1609
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:21,760
what it is and you know i'm not trying

1610
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:24,079
to convince anyone it's the data it

1611
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:26,240
speaks for itself i just got it out

1612
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:28,720
there and people really appreciate it i

1613
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:30,319
had more doctors come up to me at the

1614
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:32,799
arizona because i was really

1615
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:34,079
really nervous because i didn't know

1616
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:35,839
what the reaction was going to be and

1617
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:38,480
they would take me aside and say oh dr

1618
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:40,559
dr kitt i have to tell you

1619
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:42,079
you know i had a sighting when i was

1620
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:43,520
seven years old on the beach in

1621
00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:46,400
california or whatever it was and so it

1622
00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:48,319
really has been very rewarding i've been

1623
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:50,319
very blessed that you know you always

1624
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:52,000
have your detractors that still say it

1625
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:54,400
was definitely flares or blimp or

1626
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:56,160
whatever and i know they haven't looked

1627
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:57,680
at the data you know they're showing

1628
01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:59,680
their own ignorance that's their choice

1629
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:01,680
but or they can't deal with it and

1630
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:03,520
that's their choice too because everyone

1631
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:06,319
in their own time but um i you know as

1632
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:09,119
far as going back to my medical career

1633
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:11,599
i have to tell you i i hated leaving my

1634
01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:13,440
wonderful job chief political consultant

1635
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:15,200
of the arizona heart institute to

1636
01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:17,680
complete the documentary but i haven't

1637
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:20,240
looked back and right now um actually

1638
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:21,760
now that the book and the documentary

1639
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:23,760
have gotten lives of their own i am

1640
01:00:29,190 --> 01:00:26,640
going back to my passion of youth

1641
01:00:30,789 --> 01:00:29,200
education and working on a curriculum

1642
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:30,799
called out of the box and i'm working

1643
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:33,280
with some wonderful people not only

1644
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:35,440
major people in the field such as colin

1645
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:36,960
andrews and

1646
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:39,040
dealing with crop circles and senior

1647
01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:40,559
math professor

1648
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:43,280
the geometry of crop circles and uh the

1649
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:45,359
history guideline with richard dolan and

1650
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:48,079
dr bruce mcabee and i really want to get

1651
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:51,119
something out there that's um fun and

1652
01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:52,240
interesting

1653
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:54,640
just an overview of the topic of

1654
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:56,480
unexplained phenomena but there is

1655
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:58,240
nothing that actually was what prompted

1656
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:00,799
me to do the documentary because when i

1657
01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:04,160
first came forward in 2004 um i i was

1658
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:06,079
working seven to seven at the art

1659
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:08,559
institute doing barnes and noble and

1660
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:10,400
borders tours on the weekend and radio

1661
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:12,480
programs like this into the night i had

1662
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:15,359
no time to do anything else uh i mean i

1663
01:01:19,829 --> 01:01:17,280
i was getting like two or three hours of

1664
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:19,839
sleep at night and a couple of parents

1665
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:21,599
had seen me at a barnes noble

1666
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:24,400
presentation and invited me set it up at

1667
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:26,160
a middle school and i come walking in

1668
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:28,240
and there's 200 middle school

1669
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:29,680
students there i was so thrilled that

1670
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:31,440
they would even let me come in and talk

1671
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:34,240
about this topic and you could hear a

1672
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:36,240
pin drop it was the last period of the

1673
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:38,160
day the teachers couldn't believe it

1674
01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:39,839
these kids were on their edge of their

1675
01:01:43,349 --> 01:01:41,839
chairs they they thirst for this

1676
01:01:45,910 --> 01:01:43,359
knowledge and i realized there was

1677
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:45,920
nothing there is nothing i'm talking

1678
01:01:50,230 --> 01:01:47,760
nothing in our history books about this

1679
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:50,240
topic so that really prompted me to do

1680
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:53,359
the documentary um which i which i was

1681
01:01:57,750 --> 01:01:55,760
had a couple of filmmakers approach me

1682
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:57,760
and one was very persistent steve lance

1683
01:02:01,670 --> 01:02:00,160
who was very talented and his parents

1684
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:01,680
lived here and he said i'm coming with

1685
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:04,000
my equipment in may and we're doing this

1686
01:02:09,030 --> 01:02:06,400
and i said wait a minute i said i have

1687
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:09,040
no time plus i have stayed anonymous for

1688
01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:10,559
seven years i didn't know if other

1689
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:12,559
people would want to come forward people

1690
01:02:17,109 --> 01:02:14,559
you know witnesses had had contacted me

1691
01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:17,119
by email confidentially and i had met

1692
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:19,280
with these professors and it's very very

1693
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:20,960
precarious for professors they can lose

1694
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:22,559
their grants if they talk about this

1695
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:25,599
topic at university level um but every

1696
01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:27,680
single person i went to except one who

1697
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:29,680
came on later i

1698
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:32,079
said that they would immediately and

1699
01:02:36,789 --> 01:02:34,480
that was that was another sign and once

1700
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:36,799
we started in production by june

1701
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:38,960
i mean one person can always do so much

1702
01:02:43,750 --> 01:02:42,160
and steve and i literally did the entire

1703
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:43,760
movie together and we've won over a

1704
01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:45,839
dozen international film festival awards

1705
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:47,599
which is so rewarding but i couldn't

1706
01:02:51,030 --> 01:02:48,960
have done it without the help of

1707
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:51,040
everyone that contributed to the

1708
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:52,960
documentary the witnesses and the

1709
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:55,920
experts and the um the professors it's

1710
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:57,920
it's really been an amazing amazing

1711
01:03:02,309 --> 01:03:00,640
journey and you know i i hope that

1712
01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:02,319
people will will pick up the book the

1713
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:03,920
phoenix lights of skeptics discovery

1714
01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:05,839
that we are not alone and learn about

1715
01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:07,520
that journey because there is much more

1716
01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:09,520
to the story i actually found a

1717
01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:11,359
connection between all unexplained

1718
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:13,599
phenomena be it near death experience

1719
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:16,079
out of body unexplained burial phenomena

1720
01:03:19,990 --> 01:03:17,680
that i talk about in the book i actually

1721
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:20,000
call them all ops unexplained phenomena

1722
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:23,200
up and up um for for the very reason

1723
01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:25,920
that not only is the experience similar

1724
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:28,480
but the after effect of any of these

1725
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:31,200
unexplained phenomena experiences is so

1726
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:34,240
profound life-changing positive and

1727
01:03:38,309 --> 01:03:36,559
enlightenment and awakening that happens

1728
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:38,319
within an individual who truly

1729
01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:41,680
experiences and up that i i address that

1730
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:43,039
as well and talk about that in the book

1731
01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:45,200
so there's all there's a lot in there

1732
01:03:50,230 --> 01:03:48,000
that that people can learn and and grow

1733
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:50,240
just as i have i mean i this has been a

1734
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:52,400
transformation and a learning learning

1735
01:03:56,549 --> 01:03:53,920
curve for me too because i knew nothing

1736
01:03:59,589 --> 01:03:56,559
about this topic so i i urge people to

1737
01:04:02,150 --> 01:03:59,599
just take a look at my book or others um

1738
01:04:03,510 --> 01:04:02,160
to just open your mind a little bit your

1739
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:03,520
mind and your heart that's the first

1740
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:06,160
step and and learn about it well you

1741
01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:07,920
just mentioned children earlier and you

1742
01:04:11,829 --> 01:04:09,440
know children are the

1743
01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:11,839
the one part of our society that is

1744
01:04:16,470 --> 01:04:14,319
open-minded you know and i think oh they

1745
01:04:18,870 --> 01:04:16,480
work for this yeah right they love it

1746
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:18,880
that's right well i'm going to link your

1747
01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:21,119
website below this podcast

1748
01:04:25,750 --> 01:04:22,960
as well as

1749
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:25,760
the clip for the video

1750
01:04:30,870 --> 01:04:28,480
of the documentary and uh thank you so

1751
01:04:33,029 --> 01:04:30,880
much you've been absolutely wonderful

1752
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:33,039
well i so appreciate you inviting me

1753
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:34,880
because this is this is what it's going

1754
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:36,640
to take i can only do so much it's going

1755
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:39,520
to really take the the media and and

1756
01:04:43,349 --> 01:04:41,680
wonderful people like yourself to to get

1757
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:43,359
the word out there to let people know

1758
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:46,079
that this happened and that there's uh

1759
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:50,160
credible uh documentation for it and um

1760
01:04:53,029 --> 01:04:51,760
you know to talk about it it's really

1761
01:04:56,230 --> 01:04:53,039
important that we talk about it very

1762
01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:56,240
healing uh if people out there have had

1763
01:05:00,789 --> 01:04:58,240
an experience even if it can be

1764
01:05:03,190 --> 01:05:00,799
explained it's real to you and

1765
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:03,200
i welcome people to get on the website

1766
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:05,760
the phoenix place network and contact me

1767
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:07,680
and share your own sighting it's really

1768
01:05:11,829 --> 01:05:09,119
important it's very healing and

1769
01:05:14,069 --> 01:05:11,839
cathartic to share even with one person

1770
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:14,079
don't be afraid to to contact me it

1771
01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:16,880
won't go any further so um i welcome

1772
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:18,799
that and i and i really appreciate the

1773
01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:21,280
time that we spent together today i do

1774
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:23,680
too so this is martin willis with dr